Q: I own a 1000 p3 SLOT1 and decided to pop into my system to a p3 866 flip in a slotket had. You know what? I see no speed depends entirely! No extra fps, all benchmark scores are the same. I have a Radeon 64ddr which is probably my problem, but cmon! I would at least some improvement, right? This sucker is a lot at all, or OC, is only 1100 or so even with a server type HS and u0026quot April 1, fan on. Good thing I didnt pay or I would really pissed off! 
Any thoughts?
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<< only the fcpga. the slot form is 100 >>
Well, the markings on my chip are as follows:
1000/256/133/1.7v S1 SL4BS
My systems states 133mhz and WCPUID says 133mhz FSB. This was a server pull and before I pulled it, it came up as 133mhz also. Ive seen a few online vendors with the same claim, except for the voltage, Ive seen only 1.6v, but I havent looked all that hard. >>
very interesting, you are correct. you have a rare chip. pricewatch only shows 3 or 4 of them.. at $300. they must have just released it or something.
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Re:I recently switched from a P3-600 at 738 to a P3-900 at 1008, and cannot perceive any difference at all either.
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Re:<< only the fcpga. the slot form is 100 >>
Well, the markings on my chip are as follows:
1000/256/133/1.7v S1 SL4BS
My systems states 133mhz and WCPUID says 133mhz FSB. This was a server pull and before I pulled it, it came up as 133mhz also. Ive seen a few online vendors with the same claim, except for the voltage, Ive seen only 1.6v, but I havent looked all that hard.
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Re:<< The 1000mhz chip has a FSB of 133mhz. >>
only the fcpga. the slot form is 100
<< The reason I say the Radeon is the bottle neck is because on 3dmark 2000 and 2001 the scores are the same with the 866 or the 1000. Its not really a bottleneck, the system is very fast regardless of the chip, but it is obviously the slower thing in my system. >>
dont get u there. u say it is, then u say "its not really". anyways, ur on the right track. 3dmark 2k and 2k1 are very dependent on the gpu. [2k1 more].. ur system speed doesnt really matter up to the 700mhz point.
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Re:The 1000mhz chip has a FSB of 133mhz. The reason I say the Radeon is the bottle neck is because on 3dmark 2000 and 2001 the scores are the same with the 866 or the 1000. Its not really a bottleneck, the system is very fast regardless of the chip, but it is obviously the slower thing in my system.
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Re:I benched an IBM NetVisa A40 @ work, which had a P3-1000EB, in CPUmark99, and it got only an 87. Considering I get 78 on my P3-840 that's not much of an improvement. Definitely not worth it for owners of at least a P3-800.
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Re:Well, put it this way. For games, video card is the most important after 700hmz. For day to day applications, after you have 700hmz you won't see a difference. For example, if you have a 2Ghz PC and a 700Hmz PC and ask someone to tell which is faster, they probally won't know which is the 2ghz pc. The hardware is just way ahead of software right now. An example, Windows!
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Re:overall system performance is really being limited by a number of things now.. small increases in mhz with the same type of processor will yield little gain. (866 p3 to 1ghz p3)
now a 850 celeron to 1ghz p3 will be quite noticeable..
otherwise IMO processors are jumping ahead a little too fast, things like ram speeds, bus speeds, and hard drive speeds need to do some catching up to really get the most out of these 1ghz+ processors.
it's sort of like how the geforce2's can theoretically have staggeringly high performance numbers if it wasn't for the DDR memory bandwidth constraints of current memory types when you go past 1024×768 resolution.. just look at the benchmarks of a geforce2 ultra in high res vs 640×480 or lower If the memory bottleneck wasn't there then we'd be playing all games at 1024×768 res or higher with 4x FSAA without a single hiccup in framerate(rock steady 85fps if monitor at 85hz).
personally I can't wait to see these improvements and wish they would come sooner. The nvidia Nforce is hopefully just the beginning.
I want a motherboard with a minimum of 512mb of ram running at the same clock speed as the processor, a 2nd or 3rd socket built in for a 3d processor instead of having to buy AGP cards. The 3d processors themselves would have on chip 128mb of memory for maximum bandwidth potential.. this would all be connected by the system bus capable of like a terabyte/second or more. There should also be a built in NIC capable of 1gb/sec. There would be no more need for IRQ's/com ports/etc. One other nice thing would be cases with built in solid state disk drives of like 20GB capacity where you install the operating system and other disk intensive apps/games It would all be cheap also!
well one can dream 
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Re:send me your p3 866! (or your 1ghz)
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Re:<< guy,
when i went from Duron 700mhz (at 950mhz) to T-bird 1ghz (at 1.2ghz) there was a noticable difference, DivX encoding takes less time, mp3 encoding takes less time, DVDs use less CPU, etc etc …
its noticable … >>
Thanks for the info, it really helped
Re:You all just need to run something 24/7 to see the performance difference. Join TeamAnandtech and crack some RC5-64bit blocks with us.
Re:no way unless your work needs every bit of time.
Re:guy- after your cpu gets near ghz or over your graphics card becomes the bottleneck at higher resolutions, there becomes a point where the cpu is too fast for the graphics card and has to wait for the graphics card to finish it's processing of the graphics
Re:I feel very little difference in overclocking my 700 to 933. I do feel a difference but it wasnt anything drastic. Would I pay for the extra 233 mhz? No, that's why my next cpu upgrade has to be at least 1.5 ghz because anything lower I probably wouldnt witness much of a performance boost
Re:i'm trying to figure out y u called the radeon ddr 64mb a bottleneck………..i have the same card and love it ????????????
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From 866 to 1000 is just 144 mhz. Thats less than 5% i think.
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Uhhh.. Someone needs to learn how to do simple math and to just look at numbers and know that is completely wrong.
1000->866 would be a 13.4% DECREASE, now when you want to increase 866->1000 it is going to be MORE than the decrease, hence > 13.4 > 5.
Re:when I overclock my p3-800E to 988 or 1062, I get significant speed increases with UT benchmarks at 1024×768 glide. but I get very little increases in speed in Quake3 at 1024×768 32bit max. so it depends on the game/ap and the settings
Re:<< guy,
when i went from Duron 700mhz (at 950mhz) to T-bird 1ghz (at 1.2ghz) there was a noticable difference, DivX encoding takes less time, mp3 encoding takes less time, DVDs use less CPU, etc etc …
its noticable … >>
I don't think that counts because you went from Duron to TBird.
Re:My duron 750 is definitely a bit slower, noticible too, but once I overclock it to 1GHz, you can tell it's a lot faster.
Re:The percentage difference between the two speeds is ~15%, which is very noticeable and significant. You should easily see a difference in CPU limited tests.
Re:guy,
when i went from Duron 700mhz (at 950mhz) to T-bird 1ghz (at 1.2ghz) there was a noticable difference, DivX encoding takes less time, mp3 encoding takes less time, DVDs use less CPU, etc etc …
its noticable …
Re:Go into photoshop and rotate a picture 180 degrees you might see a little differnce…other than "real computing" Nah, not really.
Thats why OC'ing IMHO is rediculous
Re:<< From 866 to 1000 is just 144 mhz. Thats less than 5% i think >>
144MHz of 866MHz is 16%.
Re:Yup, there are some Slot 1 P3-1000EB procs out there. Gotta look around for those.
I upgraded my iCelery 566->850 to a Slot 1 P3-1000E. From a Celeron to a P3, there is a definite notice in performance.
I also wanted to grab one b/c it's my first 1 Giger proc. I thought I'd never see the day that I'd actually be running one.
With the exception of possibly upgrading the video card to something faster, hopefully this current setup'll keep me going for two years. Then, I'll look into Amd and Intel's offerings.
Re:WAH…I'd say you'd see a slight improvement, since the memory would be runnin at 133mhz vs. 100mhz…probably not a huge difference but system would feel a bit more snappier you'd think.
Re:How bout a jump from a 700mhz Duron, to lets say, a 1.0ghz-1.3ghz T-bird? Am i looking at a big difference in performance? Or only minimal gains?
Re:so you think you'd see a diff going from 800e(100mhz) to 1000eb(133mhz)?
Re:probably because the Slot-1 chip runs at 100Mhz FSB whereas the 866 flipchip runs at 133Mhz FSB….not sure if they made a slot-1 EB….if thats the case then that explains why no performance difference…I'd rather have the 866 than.
Re:From 866 to 1000 is just 144 mhz. Thats less than 5% i think.
And off course you have 2 remember that your mb/ is still on 266 or something like that. So cant make a big diff.
Re:your right.. you probably wont get much out of it.. once you are over 700 there isnt.. much of a difference.. well noticable at least!
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