Q: Well Virge wanted me to start a new thread to discuss. I really did not know how without including Larrabee. So this is it. I do not have Havok physics in the title. But I also want in the subject. Until Virge has no objection.
/ 1 Larrabee we all know will beable to do RTR. But some may not know, but the 4870×2 also can RTR. The last demo was rendered 0.
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/ ruby.
Now this is not about who does what better.
The two companies around, both down X86 simular paths. Both can do both cases RTR Havok physics. Both have Fabs. Both have complete platform designs.
But ATI is here now and cinema 2.0 is exciting. So much so Larrabee could go on my wish list. Ya hear me now right.
Larrabee get really exciting with the introduction of the bridge and sandy AVX as the CPU and GPU work closely together in games. I envy the fact that you guys get to play with this toy. But Im happy for you.
Now I really do not care for SA 1 comments in this thread see it as offtopic
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Re:Hello FUD victims! Intel loves you.
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Re:There is noway that were going to jump right into RTR games . Some hybred approach first. So I say will see a hybred game from intel with larrabee release. If not sooner. But it would be nice to see RTR game.
Ya there is varying opinion on what would be better. Its like some men like big breast some like small . I like the middle. For me . IQ is no.1 everthing else is secondary. But that just me . really not debatable . Its a matter for each person . I respect your point of view . I also understand it . Bottom line things are getting interesting.
Re:Isn't Raytracing effectively a brute-force method? It just seems a lot of processing power would be needed to release a full-featured game on a raytracing engine, GPUs and CPUs are already constrained by thermal limitations, I doubt that the HD 4870 X2 can render RT in a full game and video cards are not growing in power as they used to.
Though honestly I'm not sure which Transformers trailer they are talking about, can post the trailers in reference here?
I think this is very nice as a technology showcase but before it becomes mainstream and replaces traditional raster engines I think 5-10 years will pass if not more. I think we should focus on mainstream physics right now, I don't see much benefit for games in raytracing, I don't see how much people will want to play Quake 4 on an RT engine when they could be playing a game that uses physics-based sandbox model as a fundamental (and irremovable) gameplay core.
At least that's my opinion, I rather have a revolution in gameplay through physics than a revolution in graphics through RT.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
Originally posted by: guy
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1) Larrabee can do RTR real well.
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SO ya Guys jump in feel free to discuss Intel ATI/ AMD future tech . Make a beat up old man feel good.
It's still being developed hence I wouldn't say it can do RTR really well. We need to wait.
No offense, how old are you?
Ya your right. I just going by what intel is saying. For the last 3 years Intel has been pretty spot on with what they say . Until they slip and fall thats good enough for me .
I am 56 . But my dad is in better shape than myself. My wife is really young 56. I really old 56. My mom died from bone cancer 3 years ago . on this date.
PS another graphics company announced their RTR demo recently also . SO when was it you guys said will see the first hybred RT game ? So it would be fine to include NV in that context.
Re:http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15317
"Tracing light rays is an expensive way to render an image, but it's also the best way to produce realistic reflections. We've heard Intel make noise in the past about running various versions of Quake using ray-tracing on multiprocessor systems. Now, Nvidia is showing off a demo at Siggraph that uses one of those Quadro Plex boxes to do real-time, interactive ray-traced rendering. Or so says Nvidia's press release, which explains it like so:
Based purely on NVIDIA GPU technology, the ray tracer shows linear scaling rendering of a highly complex, two-million polygon, anti-aliased automotive styling application.
At three bounces, performance is demonstrated at up to 30 frames per second (fps) at HD resolutions of 1920×1080 for an image-based lighting paint shader, ray traced shadows, and reflections and refractions running on four next-generation Quadro GPUs in an NVIDIA Quadro Plex 2100 D4 Visual Computing System (VCS).
You can check out some of the images being produced by this demo in the gallery below. They artfully meld car lust and computer lust into a big ball o' angst. Enjoy!"
Re:Originally posted by: guy
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1) Larrabee can do RTR real well.
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SO ya Guys jump in feel free to discuss Intel ATI/ AMD future tech . Make a beat up old man feel good.
It's still being developed hence I wouldn't say it can do RTR really well. We need to wait.
No offense, how old are you?
Re:Well at least .I see your a straight shooter . Good for you . Speaking of traps. You guys know I am in trouble on offtopic. So I am a little afraid to ask what trap it is I set.
You do know me to a point. But how can u explain my reversel on AMD. I told you guys befor about my brother inlaw. Use to work for ATI now with intel . So ya I get some interesting news . Like I know somethings about next week . But I can't say it directly . So I have to stay right on the edge or I lose my info. As I have said befor its in the threads . I think AMD could beat Intel to the punch. Its an unknown .
There are several facts that can't be denied.
1) Larrabee can do RTR real well.
2) ATI can do RTR real well .
3) Intel /AMD are both going Havok.
4) Intel bought a gaming company that also had a few tricks of its own like true motion blur.
Whats not known publicly is what kind of game is intel developing and weather or not ATI has any input.
This is all I wanted to discuss . No traps here.
One thing we could discuss is Havok physics on intel . well it be done on cpu or gpu .
Many say gpu is better than cpu . Maybe maybe not. If you look at Sandy bridge and AVX . I am inclined to believe the CPU will do physics on Intel systems. Than there is that QP link to the GPU on the highend X58.
So their is much to discuss here . I pray to God that it not even 2 years away. Thanks ATI for the Ruby demo. Ya have know idea what that means to myself.
If you young people have a future. Tech should get ya there . Without it all is lost . Thats how important it is.
SO ya Guys jump in feel free to discuss Intel ATI/ AMD future tech . Make a beat up old man feel good.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
70 views zero comments . Come on guys . This is really exciting stuff. Yet none care.
Just befor the 4000 series launch. people had all sorts of things to say . Mostly untrue statements.
Yet something like this isn't worth discussing . Very disappointed in your young minds.
Get real; You set a trap for us and we *know you* 
ATI cinema and larrabee . Can they change the gaming industry in 1.3 years.
Absolutely not … not in 3 years; maybe in 5
–Larrabee is an intel PR freakshow imo 
Intel is looking for solutions and i am betting on AMD or Nvidia to get it right first
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Re:70 views zero comments . Come on guys . This is really exciting stuff. Yet none care.
Just befor the 4000 series launch. people had all sorts of things to say . Mostly untrue statements.
Yet something like this isn't worth discussing . Very disappointed in your young minds.
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