Q: Hi, do
I LCD monitors are not really the best for gaming, but Im so addicted to the aesthetics of the LCD screens I just can not resist getting another one. At the moment my current monitor (CTX) is letting me in games like UT04, so I was wondering if you could suggest something, make, model? Response time is not the only factor I would like to discuss, but the overall image quality, and build something else that goes into a big screen. Im looking for a 17 “screen as they are in my price range, ok thx in advance for the help (thats if I have all the answers;))
Best Answer: 5ms is pretty good. If you are talking about serious hardcore gaming I might suggest going w/ the 'newer' 2ms. There is a 22" by LG which has this for about $350
http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.asp?ID…
There are about only 3 companies who actually make the internal LCD panel — LG, Toshiba, and Samsung.
On the larger displays how fast the screen can refresh is going to make a huge difference in any shadowing effects. Obviously you have other high end equipment (such as the 8800GTS) so you don't want any shadowing at all (or even the hint that there might be shadowing)…
Also the contrast on this LG is 3000:1 vs the 1000:1 from the Acer.
Re:The IBM thinkpad, stinkpad, or shrinkpad however you feel fit; the one with the boot through the middle is nice. (BATO – Boot Assisted Take Off) Talk about realism.
Cheers!
Re:Originally posted by: aeternitas
Originally posted by: guy
guy thinks that referring to himself is not only stupid but arrogant.
On that note, guy thinks LCD's decent for gaming should have a low max resolution, such as 1280×1024. LCD's have a native resolution which is their max res. If you set it to lower then the native resolution, the image quality suffers (usually blurriness), sometimes alot depending on the monitor.
As opposed to an CRTwhere you have blurryness 24/7. Anyway, its more dependant on the card on how sharp the interpolation is.
If your monitor is blurrier then a LCD with interpolation, then you have a bad monitor or one that is not set properly. Any modern high quality CRT usually can display multiscan resolutions much finer then an average LCD on interpolation. This is not really debatable. Even the dot pitch on a quality CRT is much finer then a LCD. The way in which a CRT displays resolutions is also very much different in the way an LCD displays them. CRT's are able to change the frequency of the dots in which an image is displayed. An LCD cannot, which is why it must use interpolation to simulate the resolution. Interpolation quality varies on every LCD. It is mainly controlled by the LCD controller and not the video card. Usually a monitor review will makes notes about how good or bad the interpolation. Regardless, it is never as good as true native resolution.
Re:Originally posted by: aeternitas
As opposed to an CRTwhere you have blurryness 24/7.
What?
Re:Originally posted by: guy
http://www.insightmedia.info/news/SamsungSDI.htm
Samsung SDI Develops Ultra-Thin CRT
When will they come out with one for PCs?
I would guess…never. LCD's will inevitably win, or OLED, or something else.
Re:http://www.insightmedia.info/news/SamsungSDI.htm
Samsung SDI Develops Ultra-Thin CRT
08.23.2004
Samsung SDI Co. (Seoul, Korea) (www.samsung.com) has developed the world's thinnest cathode-ray tubes for TVs, overcoming one of CRT's weakest points. A CRT can provide higher-resolution images than that offered by a liquid-crystal display at one-third the price. But the thickness of a CRT has been a major drawback. Other distinctions between the technologies include weight, heat dissipation and total power draw all in favor of the LCD.
The new CRT display, dubbed 'Vixlim' for 32-inch (81-centimeter) digital TVs, is only 13.8 inches thick-almost half the 19 to 24 inches of traditional CRTs.
The South Korean firm plans to start production and shipments of the new CRTs toward the end of this year. The new picture tube is certain to drive down LCD prices, adding fuel to competition in flat-panel TVs among companies in Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, an industry observer said.
While an LCD is about 4 inches thick on average, and still slimmer than the recently developed CRT, the new tube is only as thick as a DVD player or VCR. According to Samsung SDI, there is no need to invest in new production facilities for CRTs since the company can use existing production lines to produce the unit. This factor then allows TV makers to commercialize a 32-inch CRT television at a cost of $1,000 each – less than one-third the price of an LCD-TV of the same size, currently shipping at more than $3,000.
The new tube's brightness and viewing angles are about the same as those of current CRTs. Samsung SDI is the world's largest CRT maker producing 62M units last year. They hope to adopt the thin-type CRTs for all personal computers and other electronic products by the end of 2006.
A special team, set up in 2000 within the firm to pursue CRT development, has achieved a breakthrough by developing electron beam deflection technology and special lenses. While Samsung SDI produces CRTs and plasma-display panels, a core firm of the Samsung group, Samsung Electronics Co., is a major maker of TVs and LCD panels. These are both competing to benefit from the popularity of flat-panel TVs.
The development of the new CRT is likely to restore Samsung's position as a major rival of LCD-TVs. Although retail prices of 32-inch LCD-TVs have been declining at an annual rate of more than 20%, the growth of thin CRTs will put added downward pressure on prices of LCD-TVs, said an industry observer.
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When will they come out with one for PCs?
Re:What exactly happens when you try to use an LCD for a game? (E.g., if you don't have a fast processor things aren't smooth, loading time is slow– what's the equivalent for an LCD?) Not as nice colors?
Re:guy thinks a high res rear projection dlp would make an awesome monitor. but who knows if that'll even happen. guy surely does not.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
Originally posted by: guy
CRT's are great if you have a dolly and a strong back.
Yea I hate the size but absolutely love the quality. I hope they come out with "Thin" CRT's eventually. I would definately get one in a heart beat if they did.
"Thin" CRT's?, I've talked with a Samsung technical support person about this, Thin CRT's are being made as TV's not PC monitors.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
CRT's are great if you have a dolly and a strong back.
Yea I hate the size but absolutely love the quality. I hope they come out with "Thin" CRT's eventually. I would definately get one in a heart beat if they did.
Re:anything with a 12ms refresh time and digital video in.
Samsung is my personal fave but any name brand will do. The Sony can be nice but they are either great or suck, sometime within the same model.
CRT's are great if you have a dolly and a strong back.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
The guy has heard really good things about the Samsung LCD's….check out the Samsung 710 series of LCD's on NewEgg or something.
Yea i jsut been looking at the 710T and was planning to buy it , but now i have seen the samsung 913N (8 ms response and 19 inch) The american name for this is the 915N and am not sure which one to go for. Considering the price of the 913N is only ￡25 more then the 710T it makes a hard choice. The 710T is tried tested and documented , the 913N isn't. Oh yea, and it is only analogue.
Re:mac's monitors have a 16 ms response time, that's not bad for gaming. But i'm guessing a 20inch cinema deisplay is out of your range if the dell 19in, is
Re:Originally posted by: guy
I don't claim to be a hardcore gamer by any means, but in the gaming I have done (Doom3, CS) I've been very happy with my Dell 2001FP. I don't notice any ghosting and everything looks nice and sharp (especially if your video card can handle playing at native 1600×1200).
Gotta disagree with you, and agree with Wolfman 579. 2005fpw supposed to be a better response time (if not equal) to the 2001fp. I like my 2005fpw, but ghosting is painfully obvious…like I said in other posts you must be smoking something not to be able to see it 
hehe
Anyway, this thread isn't about LCD vs CRT….and I don't live in the UK….so….I don't have a recommendation. I just had to say that if you think there is an LCD out there that is ghost free I think you would be mistaken.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
guy thinks that referring to himself is not only stupid but arrogant.
On that note, guy thinks LCD's decent for gaming should have a low max resolution, such as 1280×1024. LCD's have a native resolution which is their max res. If you set it to lower then the native resolution, the image quality suffers (usually blurriness), sometimes alot depending on the monitor.
As opposed to an CRTwhere you have blurryness 24/7. Anyway, its more dependant on the card on how sharp the interpolation is.
Re:Check out the Viewsonic VP171B 17" LCD. It is very good, and I can't tell much of a difference between that and my CRT.
Re:The guy notes that guy did not refer to himself in 3rd person as is the norm on this thread.
Re:I don't claim to be a hardcore gamer by any means, but in the gaming I have done (Doom3, CS) I've been very happy with my Dell 2001FP. I don't notice any ghosting and everything looks nice and sharp (especially if your video card can handle playing at native 1600×1200).
Re:guy thinks that referring to himself is not only stupid but arrogant.
On that note, guy thinks LCD's decent for gaming should have a low max resolution, such as 1280×1024. LCD's have a native resolution which is their max res. If you set it to lower then the native resolution, the image quality suffers (usually blurriness), sometimes alot depending on the monitor. many monitors may boast about 1600×1200 resolution but that is very demanding on a system for a visually intensive game to run. I know even my P4 3.0 2gigs of ram and 9800 XT start chugging if I put HL2 or Doom3 on 1600×1200 res. If I wanted to get a respectable framerate at 1600×1200 on high details, I'd have to consider a top of the line 6800 ultra or X800. Hence why you may not want to get a 1600×1200 native resolution LCD, unless you want the blurriness of interpolation (lower then max res). CRT's do not suffer from this at all hence why most people recommend CRT's for gaming over LCD's.
Also look for a low ms response time. You want the accurate total response time, not just the up and just the down. It is the total of these which should be factored. A good response time for gaming is 20ms or lower. Often the 17" panels have 16ms on the good ones. This should be fine for gaming and not cause too much ghosting.
This mainly affects FPS games. MMORPG and strategy games aren't usually as demanding as newer FPS games which is why FPS games are usually used as a benchmark.
Since I dont know who delivers to UK or your price range, lets summarize what you are looking for.
1280×1024 maximum resolution (if this is acceptable to you you may want 1600×1200)
16-20ms response time or better (lower is better)
500:1 contrast ratio or better
260+ brightness or better
You may also want native DVI if your video card supports it, which I assume it would if you are a gamer with a high end gaming minded video card. (DVI-D preferably and not DVI-A, sometimes hard to find out from manufacturer which is in there)
From there its just about whatever you can get for the price.
Re:The guy has heard really good things about the Samsung LCD's….check out the Samsung 710 series of LCD's on NewEgg or something.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
The guy wants to know why guy always refers to himself in 3rd person. :confused:
cos he's a pimp 
Re:The guy wants to know why guy always refers to himself in 3rd person. :confused:
Re:sorry guy didn't know you were in the uk. since you are looking for good picture quality also you should look into an 8 bit panel. most fast response time panels use a 6 bit panel which isn't as good for color reproduction. samsungs make quality panels you should check out this (http://www.{$MySite}/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=1780) and this. (http://www.{$MySite}/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2072) though the 172x is a 6bit panel it may fit your needs. and as an added bonus they are sexy monitors.
sorry guy cannot be more helpful, but guy is not really up to date on 17" models.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
guy thinks you should check out anandtech's review of the new dell 19in lcd, based on the samsung 193p panel. it gets high marks, and with dell always have tons of coupons and rebates you can probably get a very good price on it.
I think these rebates are only for american buyers , i'm in england and it's out of my price range. Couldn't u suggest a decent 17"er ? I'm confused when reading reviews as to which is the actual best for my purposes.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
I recommend CRT for hard core gamming. But if you insist on LCD I recommend *********…. (due to lack of quality LCD's the writer cannot seriously recommend an LCD for gamming)
:laugh:
I've only used 1 LCD to play games on, Dell 2005FPW….it sucked, compared to a CRT.
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Re:I recommend CRT for hard core gamming. But if you insist on LCD I recommend *********…. (due to lack of quality LCD's the writer cannot seriously recommend an LCD for gamming)
Re:guy thinks you should check out anandtech's review of the new dell 19in lcd, based on the samsung 193p panel. it gets high marks, and with dell always have tons of coupons and rebates you can probably get a very good price on it.
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