Q: I built my bangin, starting with an ABIT KT7-RAID. Now Im looking to build a Value box. I need suggestions .
Here is my ideal scenario:
Integrated Video/Sound
3 or more PCIs
In BIOS Multiplier, and FSB adjustments (for Duron 600)
Good-to-Excellent Stability
Now, the price is not much of an object with the mobo, like the other components.
Does such a committee exists?
Best Answer: you need to find out what your PSU wattage is, other than that your system will run any PCIe 16X interface card. I would guess that you have 1.0 slots but double check and see if they might be 2.0. at worst you would have to upgrade the PSU and I would suggest putting in a 600W for a single card and a 750W if you plan on SLI/Crossfire. They exceed the minimum power right now but you will be able to keep the PSU when you upgrade again…
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Re:Well, BIOS updates are something that goes very well at PC-Chips.
And if you need support beyond that, then you'd better buy from ECS Elitegroup. It's the exact same hardware as the PC-Chips stuff, but in retail box, and with end user support.
In our example, the PC-Chips M805LR and the ECS K7VZM are the exact same thing.
Regards, guy
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Re:Yeah, great. K7T. Now where do I get one!
I'm very impressed with the specs on the MSI K7T but availability in the US is bonk right now. Any suggestions on a seller?
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Re:guy and guy,
Yes, I admit, PCChips boards do work and would defintely do the job for a standard user who does not do anything too intensive on their comp or do any tinkering.
However, for guy, I don't think their boards will quite meet his specifications. Its one thing to build a system using a PCChips board and forget about it, but they do become a pain later down the road if you upgrade and need a BIOS update or any sort of support.
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Re:the PC chips boards are on the amd recommended list, so you canprobably live with it.
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Re:The PC-Chips socket-A boards are neither unstable nor any worse in performance than other people's. They just don't offer any funny bits, and they don't come with full color 400-page manuals, that's why they are so cheap.
The M805LR is on AMD's recommended mainboards list after all – and just look at any online reviews the (identical) ECS board K7VZM got, they're OK. K7VZA aka M807R – same result. OK board, stable, good performance, dead cheap (yet no LAN).
Regards, guy
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Re:The K7T Pro2 does seem very close to ideal, but it's nowhere to be found. I saw a thread pointing readers to www.mwave.com for in stock Pro2's but they don't offer it anymore.
If anybody knows where I can get a hold of one, holla back.
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Re:I also doubt that the PCChips boards allow for good OCIng, since they are notoriously unstable and shoddy in performance.
It is also unusual for integrated boards to offer such options to begin with. However, feel free to check the PCChips ghetto web site.
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Re:But it is PCChips, which deserves the bad reputation it has earned. Sure, people say that it is getting better, but could the company actually do any worse? I think not.
I'd rather buy the MSI board, and then spend $20-30 on a cheap low end AGP card.
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Re:You'll find onboard sound almost on any board.
Onboard graphics isn't here just yet – VIA and SiS are still filing the details on their KM133 and 730S chipsets.
The first all-onboard product announced is the PC-Chips M810LMR – this one includes VGA, 4.1-channel sound, AMR slot for a modem, and 10/100 LAN using the SiS 730S.
The best _available_ board for a value box is the PC-Chips M805LR aka ECS K7VZM – also MicroATX, VIA KT133 chipset, with 2-channel sound and 10/100 LAN onboard, yet no integrated VGA. It's AMD recommended, btw. This board is cheaper than any other socket-A, yet packs more than most of them.
Maybe, with the LAN integrated, you can cope with two PCI slots, 'cause that's all you get in MicroATX … 2 PCI, 1 AGP, 1 AMR.
Regards, guy
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Re:You can try the MSI K7T Pro2. I believe that that board does have onboard sound. Don't know of any good boards that offer video and OC features though.
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