Q: My hand is happy and I will be forced to build a new computer soon. But while I continue with my idea of my own server so I can tinker and learn new apps / languages as they are the first load WebLogic or WebSphere or something similar and serve Web pages on a intranet.
Now I want to see the number of machines to a minimum. As it is the ideal situation would end :
a downloadable desktop running Linux, which will always be connected to the Internet for torrents
-a file server is not connected to the Internet (SOHO LAN) would do as a Web server and a server
an application-portable laptop to the internet and Im not home to keep Internet access
Now hanging is the second machine . it is possible to have a machine running and serving as a file server, web server, application server (if necessary) at the same time? Would it work if every aspect was a singlular process? As possible so later the machine would be built to a pretty high-end spec.
The first machine is something Im confused, so Im not my friends borrow machine forever (Im borrowing it because my apartment burned down and he understands my internets addiction. That and the current job) So 0.
is this possible or am I now have to build separate machines? The implication is at my feet wet in sys admin stuff.
p.s. If I posted this in the wrong forum my apologies
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Re:Originally posted by: guy
Originally posted by: guy
unless you have insane scripting/DB access (which you won't with 2 people) then you could get by on an x'less nix server, P2 500 with 256 MB ram…
Going off what you and guy are saying, I can scale back on the machine for the server. But what if I want to view movies or listen to music that is housed on the file server? Is that more an issue of the actual specs of the server, the bandwidth within the intranet, or the machine I'm making the file request from?
Hmm…..I can do this with a fairly cheap mb/proc set up it seems. Nice.
If you are streaming video or music to a front end host you could use a samll server host. Pushing data is not a CPU intensive operation, unless you are moving massive amounts of data. If you plan on playing movies directly, just get a hardware mpeg decoder card. You should be able to get away with a 5-600MHz machine for server purposes.
Also this is more of a general hardware question. 
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Re:Originally posted by: guy
Originally posted by: guy
You can certainly put it all on one machine and, unless you're running a particularly heavy website you will really not need much power at all. Well, I guess if you're doing dev work and constantly restarting app servers it would help, but it's not necessary for serving content. Throw a database on there, a mail server, dns. It won't matter.
No the website would be completely and totally internal so at most 2 users, if that. My only concern was whether a single machine could operate all those functions simultaneously. That seems to be the case so that is great.
Of course! Multiple cores is only a recent thing… and multiple processors were only popular with higher end servers.
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Re:Originally posted by: guy
Originally posted by: MrChad
Check out VMWare.
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but what does that have to do with what he's trying to do?
beat me to it guy…:confused:
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Re:Originally posted by: MrChad
Check out VMWare.
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but what does that have to do with what he's trying to do?
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Re:Originally posted by: guy
unless you have insane scripting/DB access (which you won't with 2 people) then you could get by on an x'less nix server, P2 500 with 256 MB ram…
Going off what you and guy are saying, I can scale back on the machine for the server. But what if I want to view movies or listen to music that is housed on the file server? Is that more an issue of the actual specs of the server, the bandwidth within the intranet, or the machine I'm making the file request from?
Hmm…..I can do this with a fairly cheap mb/proc set up it seems. Nice.
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Re:unless you have insane scripting/DB access (which you won't with 2 people) then you could get by on an x'less nix server, P2 500 with 256 MB ram…
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Re:Originally posted by: guy
Originally posted by: guy
Originally posted by: guy
a 2 user web server / file server offers absolutely no burden. File serving does nothing unless someone is actively reading/writing something and with only 2 people… how often will that actually be. The web server is even less overhead (just reading no writing).
The only issue would be the app server functionality. If you start throwing SQL on it or something, the machine might start chugging (depending on how good it is).
I guess you might run into problems where progs start fighting for memory. An app server and database server might automatically grab way more than they need for home use. But other than that there should be no added strain from anything unless it is particularly busy. It'll depend on what operating system is being used too. An X-less *nix machine generally runs on virtually nothing. But with windows or X, a gig wouldn't hurt if it's not too hard to come by.
well the machine itself will most definitely be a *nix machine and if removing X or any sort of graphical interface will make it run faster then I'll probably do that. I do plan on throwing SQL on it and any other open source equivalents to industry standards i.e. JBoss for the app server, Apache for http server. The machine itself will be powerful: possibly dual proc, minimum gig of ram with 2 being optimal, and a reasonable sized hardrive to start. Any interfacing to the server will be done either through my downloading machine using some sort of internal tunnel (kind of silly since I could just do command line stuff on the actual machine).
So effectively you guys are saying for a intranet with at most 2 users (I may write a program later to simulate X amount of users) one machine can run/act as the application server, database server, web server, and file server?
I would say so. In fact I think your machine seems a little overkill for only 2 users?
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Re:Originally posted by: guy
Originally posted by: guy
a 2 user web server / file server offers absolutely no burden. File serving does nothing unless someone is actively reading/writing something and with only 2 people… how often will that actually be. The web server is even less overhead (just reading no writing).
The only issue would be the app server functionality. If you start throwing SQL on it or something, the machine might start chugging (depending on how good it is).
I guess you might run into problems where progs start fighting for memory. An app server and database server might automatically grab way more than they need for home use. But other than that there should be no added strain from anything unless it is particularly busy. It'll depend on what operating system is being used too. An X-less *nix machine generally runs on virtually nothing. But with windows or X, a gig wouldn't hurt if it's not too hard to come by.
well the machine itself will most definitely be a *nix machine and if removing X or any sort of graphical interface will make it run faster then I'll probably do that. I do plan on throwing SQL on it and any other open source equivalents to industry standards i.e. JBoss for the app server, Apache for http server. The machine itself will be powerful: possibly dual proc, minimum gig of ram with 2 being optimal, and a reasonable sized hardrive to start. Any interfacing to the server will be done either through my downloading machine using some sort of internal tunnel (kind of silly since I could just do command line stuff on the actual machine).
So effectively you guys are saying for a intranet with at most 2 users (I may write a program later to simulate X amount of users) one machine can run/act as the application server, database server, web server, and file server?
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Re:Originally posted by: guy
a 2 user web server / file server offers absolutely no burden. File serving does nothing unless someone is actively reading/writing something and with only 2 people… how often will that actually be. The web server is even less overhead (just reading no writing).
The only issue would be the app server functionality. If you start throwing SQL on it or something, the machine might start chugging (depending on how good it is).
I guess you might run into problems where progs start fighting for memory. An app server and database server might automatically grab way more than they need for home use. But other than that there should be no added strain from anything unless it is particularly busy. It'll depend on what operating system is being used too. An X-less *nix machine generally runs on virtually nothing. But with windows or X, a gig wouldn't hurt if it's not too hard to come by.
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Re:a 2 user web server / file server offers absolutely no burden. File serving does nothing unless someone is actively reading/writing something and with only 2 people… how often will that actually be. The web server is even less overhead (just reading no writing).
The only issue would be the app server functionality. If you start throwing SQL on it or something, the machine might start chugging (depending on how good it is).
Re:Originally posted by: guy
You can certainly put it all on one machine and, unless you're running a particularly heavy website you will really not need much power at all. Well, I guess if you're doing dev work and constantly restarting app servers it would help, but it's not necessary for serving content. Throw a database on there, a mail server, dns. It won't matter.
No the website would be completely and totally internal so at most 2 users, if that. My only concern was whether a single machine could operate all those functions simultaneously. That seems to be the case so that is great.
Originally posted by: guyI'm curious about your plans to run weblogic and websphere. Do IBM and BEA offer free trial editions? I'm pretty sure websphere is supposed to run on an ibm jvm which is only legal on ibm hardware.
They do offer trial editions and I could of sworn that IBM opened up websphere through that Open source partnership a few months back. If not I'll just upload the open source equivalent.
Re:You can certainly put it all on one machine and, unless you're running a particularly heavy website you will really not need much power at all. Well, I guess if you're doing dev work and constantly restarting app servers it would help, but it's not necessary for serving content. Throw a database on there, a mail server, dns. It won't matter.
I'm curious about your plans to run weblogic and websphere. Do IBM and BEA offer free trial editions? I'm pretty sure websphere is supposed to run on an ibm jvm which is only legal on ibm hardware.
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