Q: I have a computer with Windows XP Pro. The use of new software, I have a computer running Windows 2000. This is a university, so I have access to educational CDs for most Windows operating systems. The Windows 2000 CD will not install Windows XP. So I will reformat and install another OS. Then within that OS, I will use Windows 2000 CD to upgrade to Windows 2000.
The question is what OS would be best for this upgrade? I have Win 3.11, 95, 98 and NT. I do not think the CD Windows 2000, all junk removed. So that would be the least shit or that it would be easiest to clean up later?
Thanks.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
I have a computer with Windows XP Pro. To use new software, I need a computer with Windows 2000. This is in a university, so I have access to education CDs for most Windows operating systems. The Windows 2000 CD won't install from Windows XP. Thus I will format it and install another OS. Then within that OS, I will use the Windows 2000 CD to upgrade to Windows 2000.
The question is what OS would be best for this upgrade? I have Win 3.11, 95, 98, and NT. I don't think that the Windows 2000 CD will delete all the old crap. So which one would have the least crap on it or which would be the easiest to clean up later?
Thanks.
Try the built in Application Compatability Settings Mode. (http://labmice.techtarget.com/windowsxp/TroubleshootingXP/compat.htm)
Re:Originally posted by: guy
Why would you have to downgrade from XP to Windows 2000? Won't any software that runs in Windows 2000 also work in Windows XP? I mean they are essentially the same OS with XP just being a minor update of 2000.
I have spend ~2 years working part time on writing some software (for XP). I finally reached my limits (I'm a self trained programmer with no experience and no classes on how to do it correctly) and paid another company to fix some of the issues I had. They finally got me their first running version and it apparently only works in Win 2000 (SP1 through SP3 but not SP4). I tried in XP and nope it didn't run. Obviously I will eventually be demanding that it will run in XP. However, they need me to see it run now so they can guide their programmers to better meet my end-goals. So it will be Win 2000 on a computer for a month or so.
Re:Why would you have to downgrade from XP to Windows 2000? Won't any software that runs in Windows 2000 also work in Windows XP? I mean they are essentially the same OS with XP just being a minor update of 2000.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
Originally posted by: guy
Upgrade version only? Wow, your school sucks.
http://old.bink.nu/bootcd/
Full versions are $4.99 and I'm cheap. Plus they'd require a long walk (30 minutes) and lots of paperwork. When I have all of the OS CDs sitting right next to me, I don't want to bother. That makes me cheap and lazy.
Originally posted by: guy
1. Download the boot image from here (http://www.neowin.net/downloads/xpboot.bin).
2. Burn in Nero using these instructions (http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp2_cd_nero.htm)
You can also slipstream SP2 while you're at it (if it's not there already).
Nice (If I wanted Win XP – I'm trying to move from XP SP2 to 2000).
Wait, you'd rather spend an hour trying to make a bootable CD rather than spend $5 on a full version. You ARE cheap. 
Sorry about the XP instructions. The steps are essentially the same for 2000 and XP.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
Upgrade version only? Wow, your school sucks.
http://old.bink.nu/bootcd/
Full versions are $4.99 and I'm cheap. Plus they'd require a long walk (30 minutes) and lots of paperwork. When I have all of the OS CDs sitting right next to me, I don't want to bother. That makes me cheap and lazy.
Originally posted by: guy
1. Download the boot image from here (http://www.neowin.net/downloads/xpboot.bin).
2. Burn in Nero using these instructions (http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp2_cd_nero.htm)
You can also slipstream SP2 while you're at it (if it's not there already).
I would be nice advice if I wanted Win XP – I'm trying to move from XP SP2 to 2000.
Re:1. Download the boot image from here (http://www.neowin.net/downloads/xpboot.bin).
2. Burn in Nero using these instructions (http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp2_cd_nero.htm)
You can also slipstream SP2 while you're at it (if it's not there already).
Re:Originally posted by: guy
Originally posted by: guy
I wonder if you re-burned the CD as bootable if it would run … 
Otherwise, I would probably start off with NT4. That way your hard drive will be NTFS and your permissions will be setup correctly (as opposed to FAT32/Windows 9x and using convert.exe later).
I've got an hour to kill before installing. What would you do to re-burn it as bootable? Is that a standard option in CD-burning software?
Upgrade version only? Wow, your school sucks.
http://old.bink.nu/bootcd/
- M4H
Re:Originally posted by: guy
I wonder if you re-burned the CD as bootable if it would run …
Otherwise, I would probably start off with NT4. That way your hard drive will be NTFS and your permissions will be setup correctly (as opposed to FAT32/Windows 9x and using convert.exe later).
I've got an hour to kill before installing. What would you do to re-burn it as bootable? Is that a standard option in CD-burning software?
Re:Originally posted by: guy
Originally posted by: guy
How is that possible? Can you explain how this works? I have done numerous clean installs from "upgrade" CDs.
(1) Put CD into computer.
(2) Reboot hoping to install new OS.
(3) Computer skips installation since CD is not a bootable CD.
(4) You are back at your old OS.
(5) Go into BIOS thinking that the CD drive might not be before the hard drive on the boot order list. Nope.
(6) Realize that the CD is not bootable.
(7) Use your old OS to browse the CD drive and run the setup program.
(8) CD copies some of its files to the hard drive and changes the settings to run the OS installation program from the hard drive on the next reboot.
(9) Reboot and do an update install to the new OS from hard drive (with possibly some extra files from CD if needed).
Link where I obtained the OSs (http://sales.unl.edu/licenses/microsoftcampusuniversity.asp)
Microsoft does not offer Windows operating system (OS) full install licenses, so don't ask us for some. If a computer comes with another OS (e.g. Linux), or no OS, then you cannot directly upgrade to a Windows OS. To be legal you must first purchase a full install OS (e.g. buy cheap Windows 95 full packages on ebay.com).
In other words, (and although all licensed CDs can be used to perform either full or upgrade installs), each computer must come with an OEM or full package Windows operating system to qualify for a Windows operating system upgrade license.
I wonder if you re-burned the CD as bootable if it would run …
Otherwise, I would probably start off with NT4. That way your hard drive will be NTFS and your permissions will be setup correctly (as opposed to FAT32/Windows 9x and using convert.exe later).
Re:Originally posted by: guy
How is that possible? Can you explain how this works? I have done numerous clean installs from "upgrade" CDs.
(1) Put CD into computer.
(2) Reboot hoping to install new OS.
(3) Computer skips installation since CD is not a bootable CD.
(4) You are back at your old OS.
(5) Go into BIOS thinking that the CD drive might not be before the hard drive on the boot order list. Nope.
(6) Realize that the CD is not bootable.
(7) Use your old OS to browse the CD drive and run the setup program.
(8) CD copies some of its files to the hard drive and changes the settings to run the OS installation program from the hard drive on the next reboot.
(9) Reboot and do an update install to the new OS from hard drive (with possibly some extra files from CD if needed).
Link where I obtained the OSs (http://sales.unl.edu/licenses/microsoftcampusuniversity.asp)
Microsoft does not offer Windows operating system (OS) full install licenses, so don't ask us for some. If a computer comes with another OS (e.g. Linux), or no OS, then you cannot directly upgrade to a Windows OS. To be legal you must first purchase a full install OS (e.g. buy cheap Windows 95 full packages on ebay.com).
In other words, (and although all licensed CDs can be used to perform either full or upgrade installs), each computer must come with an OEM or full package Windows operating system to qualify for a Windows operating system upgrade license.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
Originally posted by: guy
You can't boot from the 2000 CD and format/install from there? Most upgrade versions will allow you to perform a clean install provided you insert a qualifying OS CD to validate your upgrade.
No, the Windows 2000 and Windows XP (Home and Pro) education CDs are not bootable. They must be installed from another Windows operating system.
How is that possible? Can you explain how this works? I have done numerous clean installs from "upgrade" CDs.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
You can't boot from the 2000 CD and format/install from there? Most upgrade versions will allow you to perform a clean install provided you insert a qualifying OS CD to validate your upgrade.
No, the Windows 2000 and Windows XP (Home and Pro) education CDs are not bootable. They must be installed from another Windows operating system.
Re:You can't boot from the 2000 CD and format/install from there? Most upgrade versions will allow you to perform a clean install provided you insert a qualifying OS CD to validate your upgrade.
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