Q: I just noticed (by a thread over at ChubbyBillfold on a P4 1.5GHz processor someone + motherboard on the market to offer a P3 1Ghz processor or 933) that the 933 P3, 1GHz / 133Mhz processors are very expensive. They go for over $ 300 on each eBay.
Can someone tell me why? Is there anything special about them? Yeah, sure, they can be overclocked. But for much less money you can P4u003e 2Ghz . I can not believe they are overclocked to such speeds .
Kwad
Re:Originally posted by: guy
and the old P2 boards…. why should anyone (even if you're computer illiterate) fork out $300 for a CPU, then add a socket converter or whatever when you can get a new p4 2.2ghz complete system for $300? doesn't make much sense at all
Well, some people don't like to throw away old stuff, especially if they paid some big bucks for it long ago. Sentimental value perhaps? Regardless, they may be morons, but the ones selling the parts are cashing in! I still ebay off some ancient old kingston upgrade kits I bought during closeouts for pentium classic systems and people bid $100+ for these things.
By the way, you wouldn't be willing to sell me any of these would you? Of course, I'm not paying $100 
I'd have sent you a PM instead of adding to this thread, but you don't have PM's enabled.
P-X
Re:From www.crucial.com
32 MB FPM SIMM – $39.99
32 MB EDO SIMM – $37.99
256 MB PC-133/CL2 SDRAM DIMM – $59.99
256 MB PC-2100/CL2.5 DDR SDRAM DIMM – $39.99
256 MB PC-3200/CL2.5 DDR SDRAM DIMM – $51.99
Once technology becomes old enough, it will start becomming more expensive than the newer stuff, as illustrated by these prices.
Re:You've heard of AT effect? I call it eBay effect. People pay WAY more than they should.
For example, the last poster sells old socket 7 upgrades for $100? I just bought a powerleapMMX Pro+ AND a K6-2 500 for $25. Unschooled buyers = pay too much.
P-X
Re:and the old P2 boards…. why should anyone (even if you're computer illiterate) fork out $300 for a CPU, then add a socket converter or whatever when you can get a new p4 2.2ghz complete system for $300? doesn't make much sense at all
Well, some people don't like to throw away old stuff, especially if they paid some big bucks for it long ago. Sentimental value perhaps? Regardless, they may be morons, but the ones selling the parts are cashing in! I still ebay off some ancient old kingston upgrade kits I bought during closeouts for pentium classic systems and people bid $100+ for these things.
Re:Hmm…I just checked ebay for the P3 Xeons. I thought they'd be more expensive, but I saw 800mhz models going for like 30 bux. Strange that the Xeons would be more expensive.
Re:1. If these are SMP capable they fetch quite the premium and go into SMP capable systems that make little noise and generate little heat.
2. As far as desktops go, if you are looking for an ultra quiet HTPC, getting a PIII 1Ghz Slot 1 might be a very quiet solution.
3. Buying a new mb and processor might be ok…IF, you want to rip the guts out of the computer, put it back together, AND if you have a std. ATX case. If for some reason you have a non-std. case (like my NEC Ready 9702 I'm upgrading), then you are stuck with the motherboard you have.
4. I think the eBay prices are a bit inflated. Prices I found in AnandTech FS/FT ran ~ $75 for desktop versions. I'm pretty sure I've seen SMP versions (much rarer) ~ $125.
P-X
Edit One: Updated Price estimates based on Full Text Search of FS/FT for Pentium AND 933.
Re:Supply and demand. Supply is small, demand is small. That means huge prices.
Re:its like the same reason why a 1.4 tbird 200mhz fsb will cost big bucks. a lot of people with kt133 chipsets, or chipsets only supporting 200fsb will maybe want to upgrade their processor. so the best one will be 1.4 tbird. or why a 2600+ 266fsb will cost a lot. people who want to upgrade while still keeping their old board.
it'll be wiser to just buy a new mobo, and a 1700+, reusing ram and everything.
Re:They cost that much, because there are people that are stupid enough to pay that much for them. :disgust:
Like someone said… supply and demand. There IS NO supply, but there's still a demand, so… squeeze all the magins you can get. I suppose.
Re:Now I have to decide what to do with the slot 1 P3 933s that I bought a while back to upgrade some Kayak XU800s. These are nice dual processor workstations, but I'm not sure it doesn't make a lot more sense to sell off the processors and the workstations and just get some newish Dells on one of their end-of-quarter blowout sales…
Kwad
Re:We have a server at work here that uses Slot 1 processors. It's dual capable but only has 1. If we wanted to upgrade, it would still be cheaper to pay $300 for a processor than to replace the server.
That's why I'd pay that much for it, at least. I certainly wouldn't for a desktop.
Re:then i guess it would be rarity. like the late voodoo video cards, or the 5800ultra that doubles as a car vacuum.
Re:The chips that cost a lot of the SLOT 1 chips. No way those are going into laptops, unless you're talking about laptops with a form factor like the old Osbornes!
Kwad
Re:Originally posted by: guy
I think it's because these people don't know what a slotket / slocket is, let alone a slocket-T
If you have an old business desktop or workstation that's relaible and set up exactly the way you want it, popping in a slot-1 for $300 can be worth it in saved labor over losing the work-time to set up a new machine.
i just wonder if a company still uses a P2, how much would the labor wasted on setting up a new computer cost anyway…
Re:I think it's because these people don't know what a slotket / slocket is, let alone a slocket-T
If you have an old business desktop or workstation that's relaible and set up exactly the way you want it, popping in a slot-1 for $300 can be worth it in saved labor over losing the work-time to set up a new machine.
Re:Originally posted by: guy
Alright, I think I'll subscribe to the P2 motherboard's that want to be upgraded with an adapter theory. That's got to be it:D
Seriously, people don't like to throw their old Dells and what not away.
i think it's because people put them in LAPTOPS. im not sure but i think the late P3's comsumes very little power and are cool. note the dell latitude X200 (with a P3 933mhz) is $1500 and a P4/celeron 2.2ghz 1100 sells for $799 or so. battery life and heat plays a big role in building laptops
and the old P2 boards…. why should anyone (even if you're computer illiterate) fork out $300 for a CPU, then add a socket converter or whatever when you can get a new p4 2.2ghz complete system for $300? doesn't make much sense at all
just my thoughts
Re:Originally posted by: guy
Yeah, they're SMP capable. But so are the recent Xeons, and you can get 2+Ghz Xeons for less than the slot 1 P3 933Mhz chips are selling for…
Kwad
True, but dual Xeon mobos are still pretty pricey when compared to some of the older dual slot 1 mobos.
Re:Alright, I think I'll subscribe to the P2 motherboard's that want to be upgraded with an adapter theory. That's got to be it:D
Seriously, people don't like to throw their old Dells and what not away.
Re:Supply and demand, they aren't as easy to come by so the people that need them usually have to pay a premium. There is a window where it doesn't matter anymore as you wouldn't pay top dollar for a 486 chip but something you can still use that is no longer produced can see an increase.
Re:Nah…Although the Intel conspiracy theory has appeal, the fact is that Intel no longer sells the P3 933 (or 1Ghz) slot ones, so they aren't making any money off the now inflated prices. (Note: The P3 933 slot 1 was a lot cheaper last year…)
Kwad
Re:because a lot of people have old slot 1 boards still … and those are among the high end that they can run on thier board … intel thinks people will be loo lazy to swap mobos, and that instead they will take their PII 400s and swap CPUs to 933mhz or 1ghz .. or something like that
Re:The p3's re better for extremely small form factor computers. I doubt that has much to do with it, but it is my contribution to the thread
Re:Yeah, they're SMP capable. But so are the recent Xeons, and you can get 2+Ghz Xeons for less than the slot 1 P3 933Mhz chips are selling for…
Kwad
Re:Are these those smp capable chips? If so, that might be why.
Re:My guess would be that slot1 is very old school. I mean, there have been at least 3 intel sockets since then. So both the chips and boards can be hard to come by. And if intel is still making them, they dont make many and as a result the prices go up. All in all I would say it is just a matter of supply and demand.
-doug
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